May 3, 2012
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Answering the question
I have been asked the same question a few time recently how and why I decided to leave Christianity behind?
And I figured I would repost and possible add to my answer from when I was asked before. So here is it......
The reality is when I started I really had no intention of leaving Christianity behind. The idea that I would be where I am today was the farthest outcome that I had expected me to be in. In fact I tried really hard to cling to Christianity through the whole process.For me the process began with our movement toward Messianic Judaism. Traditional Christianity in most ways seemed wrong....like something was missing. My thought was that if I believed that god existed then I believed that he desired me to be the best Christian that I could be. So my journey began with the thought of "what are god's expectations for a Christian to be one of his followers?"That brought me into Kosher Law, Sabbath Law, Gentile requirements and the like. I gladly started to understand some of the laws and started to apply them to my life. I applied them to my life because I thought they were the will of god and had no ill or bad feelings about doing such things....in fact I found joy in them.It was around this time, that I seemed be reading blogs on various Biblical issues and saw that each issue had numerous answers most in conflict with each other. At the time, I viewed such discrepancies as more of a political stance of the specific church of the person making the comment. So, that lead me to the question "What was the real stance for Christians to take on those issues?" I mean if we are of one body....we should be of one mind and Christianity reminded me of a body with Multiple Personality Disorder. So it was back to the question "What does god want?"You would think that answers would be easy, I mean we had the book that had all the answers....but that could not have been further from the truth. Finding answers was hard. Each issue had multiple bible verses and each Bible verse had to be taken to its original Greek Hebrew or Aramaic. In the end, I found out that there was some issues that when all boiled down had conflicting answers. Some Hebrew and Greek words have no English definitions meaning that we really don't know what it actually meant...bible scholars just took what ever they thought it meant or what ever the cause was for the church of that century.This brought me to the question....."If they did that, what else could have been tweaked to serve their own reasons?" the answer for me was "Start at the beginning and find our the truth.....Genesis here I come.Some of the rules I had was ...1. All scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, correcting, rebuking and training in righteousness. Which leads to number two2. All stances had to be supported by other verses besides just one and all verses had to be taken in context.I had a few others but these were the most important....Genesis was where the axis started tipping. Obviously the first issue to come up was the old Evolution verses Creation Debate. Having gone to a Mennonite school...Evolution was not in the curriculum. So I basically was able to start at square one. I acquired all the books, blogs, Websites and debates I could on the subject of evolution and creation. This process was long and for every point made for evolution there was an answer for creation and visa versa. Then I read a book by of all people Richard Dawkin's called " The Greatest Show On Earth" I was hesitant about reading this because he was a staunch atheist who has a very I would say strong but strong is an understatement, view against god. But I found his book to be strongly informative. It made a very compelling case for evolution and the evolutionary process. It cited experiments that could be researched and you could see if the same conclusions he stated were the conclusions of the scientists as well. This book was the turning point to my acceptance of evolutions ....over time I accepted evolution as fact and creation was a myth.Up until this point I still wrote on my blog like there was nothing wrong....bible studies....but sometimes my questions and doubts shone through.From there the questions kept coming like .....If creation was a myth what about Adam and eve and marriage?....who can get married?...... Did god create evil?.....Why does god allow bad things?.......if god doesn't do bad things why does seem to be oblivious to some Christians in times of extreme distress?....why are we called to be fruitful and multiply and yet some godly people left barren?.....is slavery really wrong?....what is the role of women in christianity?....For every question....there was enough material to make your head spin and you had to dig for an answer.... eventually it finally came down to there were a lot of conflicting answers (and sometimes no answers) for the first time I asked myself "What if god was not real....What if god really isn't there? .....I was conflicted had I spent all this time to find what god wanted to only find out that god might not exist.So my efforts now turned to the conflicts that nonchristians had with the bible.....I figured that this was a do or die situation..... Either I was gonna prove to myself that god existed or it was just a myth.....again i went to books, blogs, websites and debates....and again I had enough material to go through........eventually over time the Christian self was eroded away until one day I came to the conclusion ....Christianity is a myth.....and bye golly, I'm anatheist............So the short answer is my journey from Christianity was because of the search for truth......
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Excellent post and video! My own journey away from christianity started much like yours - with questions. That's probably why I was told in church to not ask so many. In the end I decided that I still believe there is a spiritual presence in the universe and all around us, but rather than try to force myself believe in a single bully of a god, I wanted to put my faith in the Gods and Goddesses who came before him, and who are kinder and infinitely more loving.
I also try to be a good person, help people whenever I can, be the best mom I can be and make the world better by my contributions. Sadly, the cause of being a better person by your own merit, desire and design is lost upon these people, who will tell you that the good you do 'is like filthy rags' unless you're a christian.
They're going to think Atheists, Pagans, Hindus, Buddhists and every other spiritual person eats babies and shits demons no matter what we do. It shouldn't deter us from doing good, but we have to realistic regarding their opinion of us. The truth about us means nothing when measured against their dogma.
I was raised Catholic, and must have been a little slow, because I missed the part about "no questions allowed."
So at the age of 8, I asked a lulu.
"Can I be an altar boy?"
No...I was not proposing a gender swap. I had noticed that while it was rare, women COULD do "boy" stuff...so if a woman could be a doctor, or lawyer, maybe I could be a altar boy. I assumed that it hadn't happened because no one ever asked before. So I did. I went to to the rectory at St. Joseph's church, gathered up my courage, climbed the stairs, and knocked. I used my BEST manners...this was where the priests lived. The Irish housekeeper answered the door, looked nervous, but let me in. I remember how the place smelled...faintly of incense, and cigarettes.
The priest showed up, and asked me what I was doing there. His tone was annoyed...he was not Bing Crosby, like in the movies...not in the least. I was getting more nervous...but I got out my question. "Could I serve at the Mass?" I saw him frown. I saw him get red. I KNEW I had done something wrong...just not what. He called my parents. Thirty minutes later, they BOTH showed up. He'd left me to wait on a hard wooden chair. When they arrived, he came out again, and told them quite tersely that they had obviously NOT been raising me to accept my role in God's plan...and he would "pray" for us all.
By 8, I was quite expert at interpreting silence from my parents. We walked the 6 blocks home...and I knew better than to open my mouth. I knew I was going to get a beating when we got home...I just had no idea what I had done wrong. Sometime while it was happening, I was told in no uncertain terms that I had SHAMED AND HUMILIATED my parents in front of the priest. There was a lot of slapping...that I recall. Dad didn't use the wooden coat hanger...there i was lucky...but my mother egged him on. That was unusual...usually when the boys "got a licking", she would weep, or cry. She made it clear that she thought I deserved it.
And that was it for me, Catholicism, and Christianity. At 8, my budding faith was torn from me...because I dared to think I was as good as a boy, in the eyes of God. Of course, I couldn't SAY that...not out loud. I was forced to conceal what I believed form then on...I understood that if a wrong question had gotten me beaten, a wrong BELIEF? Most unhealthy. I had one more run with that priest...he made sure I understood that "men were not like Eve..born to sin, like women."
Well, their god MADE me a woman...or at least a girl. If everything was "God's will", why did he do that...if I was supposed to be so bad?
Over the years, I made a study of theology, and different religions. I never sought to reconcile with the Church. I was taught in High School by Sisters of Charity...and while I did not mouth off about what I felt, I DID tell one or two what happened. They didn't call my parents. They didn't try to convince me that I deserved it. They simply accepted my spirituality, without trying to force their own on me. And they taught me. Education would be the saving grace of women...not dogma.
I am grateful to those women. They were "gangsta"...the rebels of their day. The first to give up the habits and whipples, and to go into the cities. They could not fix the damage that was done me...but they also did not blame me, for being hurt. I raised my daughter with exposure to many schools of religious thought---and I taught her to question everything...including herself. She's a remarkable, strong, kind woman now...not out of fear of an angry God, or worse, angry clergy and family...but because given the choice between being a decent human being, and a jerk, she chooses decency.
That was how the Church shoved me away...with both hands. I hope their God forgives them for it.
@galadrial - That made me cry. I am so, so, SO sorry. If I had been your mother the priest would have received the verbal reaming of a liftime; so brutal his ass would have actually bled for a week. There is nothing embarrassing about what you did. He, however, shamed himself and his church and I hope he comes back in his next life as a dirty ashtray.
I'm not sure what your spiritual path is, but I think whomever you're connected to is amazingly proud of you and loves you for the amazing woman and mom you are.
@galadrial - That made me cry. I am so, so, SO sorry. If I had been your mother the priest would have received the verbal reaming of a liftime; so brutal his ass would have actually bled for a week. There is nothing embarrassing about what you did. He, however, shamed himself and his church and I hope he comes back in his next life as a dirty ashtray.
I'm not sure what your spiritual path is, but I think whomever you're connected to is amazingly proud of you and loves you for the amazing woman and mom you are.
@ZombieMom_Speaks - What I am is complicated. I am deeply spiritual, but avoid affiliation with any "formal" religion. My daughter is a solo practitioner of Wicca...and I am a seeker of the truth that speaks to mind, soul, and spirit. And i eat meat!
@ZombieMom_Speaks -
who will tell you that the good you do 'is like filthy rags' unless you're a christian.
I just want to clarify that is incorrect. Our righteousness as being filthy rags is under the context of salvation and it applies also to Christians. In other words, no matter how good we might think we are, we still have sin in our life and can't be saved by our supposed righteousness. If we could be justified by our own righteousness, then Jesus was crucified in vain.
They're going to think Atheists, Pagans, Hindus, Buddhists and every other spiritual person eats babies and shits demons no matter what we do.
Puh-leaze! That's such a tired worn out straw man.
I appreciate your sharing this, Kris
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@galadrial - I'd leave too if the church was that douchey. Looking back there was no one really decent in my old catholic school (aside from a few students) but I never thought they were that way because of religion (nor do I now), I just thought they happened to be tools.
This sounds very similar to my falling out with christianity. It happened twice: once when I refused to get confirmed at 13 and again thru researching biblical facts at 16.
Although, I do believe there is a spiritual power higher than myself. I just am not sure it's a christian god or any other god of ancient lore. Just a spiritual power. The energy that powers the universe or perhaps the creative force behind life. These thing I cannot know.
I will post my story soon. Long story short: almost died, begged for god, He ignored me. I was done with the bullshit then.
Well written and great Vlog. Ty so much for sharing.
I'll be back
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