Saturday, 30 December 2006

  • Saddam Is dead

    Well, Saddam is dead. How are we supposed to feel? There are many people cheering this as a great victory, others are fearing what will happen in return.
    me... well, I am just confused.
    can someone tell me why they felt they had to kill him? What made him in their eyes deserve that? What made him worse then Bush, or Castro, or even Paul (saul)
     
    Saddam killed people yes (thought I am not sure he ever actually did it himself, his service men did it), well then by that account so does Bush, so did Paul. Paul killed Christians and thought he was serving God.
     
    I just cant understand how this is supposedly the thing they felt they had to do. So if there would be a civil war in the US the thing that would "need" to be done is kill Bush???
    I just don't see the difference
    Why is it whenever there is an over throw of power some where the "it thing" to do is "always kill the former leader"
    I just don't get it.


    ADDED NOTE>>>> I want to make it clear, I do not think that anyone should harm the president in any way. Thank you

Comments (36)

  • Falconman1130
    Honestly I don't have an answer for why is it the thing to do after a revolt, but Saddam ordered some of the worst atrocities in the past few decades.  If for no other reason I think he deserved his fate.  Paul on the other hand, though he did do some horrible things, at least TURNED from that life.  Saddam embraced it and then at his trial acted offended that people stood against him.
  • drewplaysdrums
    the only thing to point out is that what happened in Iraq with Saddam...
    it's VERY, VERY different than anything like that in ours.
    Ours is at least on paper, a democracy. I'm sure civil war would be messy, but not at all the same thing.
    The other thing, Iraq's court condemned Saddam. Not the US or anyone else.
    It's always easy to say what should or shouldn't be done to someone like that from the outside looking in.
    Years of oppressive, cruel, torture-filled dictatorship are not burned into OUR minds and hearts at this man's hand.
    I'm not saying murder is the answer to anything, only pointing out that from outside it, it's always really easy to just say what should or shouldn't be done.
    I can't stand Bush myself, but I can't in good conscience compare his actions to Saddam's...

    just my random thoughts on it...
  • anonymous
    I agree in part with the above. He wasn't killed because he was the former leader. The U.S. neither convicted him nor killed him. He was killed because he brutally and needlessly murdered and tortured his people. Bush has done nothing at all comparable. Bush has sent men to war, yes, but the only people he intended to kill were those who were already committing atrocious acts of terrorism. I simply cannot see how that at all compares to gassing, hanging, and torturing innnocent people. According to Scripture, those who wage wars in good cause are not to be condemned to death, but those who commit murder are. One could debate whether Bush's intentions were honest (I think they were, but I'm not going to get into that), but it is indisputable that biblically Saddam deserved what he got.      
  • darkcrazystar
    I think it's a scapegoat kind of thing. Someone must be blamed and you can't round up everyone so the highest up gets it. A cleansing for the next set of whoevers and maybe they feared what Sadaam would do if left alive.
  • ikneelb4him
    very good thoughts. i'm not sure where i stand on capital punishment. i mean, i personally don't ever think i want to be a part of taking someone's life... at all.... ever. i think the people just get enraged and want some form of swift, harsh judgement. i think this particular act was out of rage. but all your examples (saul, bush, castro) have a justification for that actions. that's what scares me the most. the fact that so many world leaders justify mass killings.
  • Taryns_World

    He died at 6AM Iraq time, 10PM our time, I watched the news cast for 30minutes, reporter said it at 6:10 there that he was hunged 10minutes ago. So at 6:00.

    I don't really have any true say on how I feel about it. Though that they were going to do it at customed. That's it.

  • vladisrafel
    They killed him because history is always written by those who hold the most power. Fair? Hell no. And today we suffered a huge loss, not because of Saddam himself, but because of allowing a person be killed for the same sins others are rewarded.
    Either it was him or his service men, it was under his concent. But also the war in Irak runs under the same template, with a different suscriber. The more than two thousand soldiers (that in the end, are human) killed, NOT COUNTING CIVILIANS, the lives shattered, the tears, the people who now has no place to live, a wave or violence that can only bring more violence... when is Bush scheduled for hanging?
    Saddam at least had a huge dignity when dying. And see how, little by little, he will become a martyr. It's not much, I know. But in the end it's not us who must take the justice in our hands.
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  • Drummin87dan
    They killed him because he deserved it. I am by no means against it in any way, but I think that he got off easy with death. It was an easy escape from all the sins he had to account for, and now hes gone. I wish that we had kept him around for a bit longer...shown him a little of what he had done to others. Maybe he would genuinely repent after something like this happening to him. After that, all of his crimes and unforgivable acts could then be punished by death.
  • Drummin87dan
    I know that by saying this, you assume I am probably a somewhat less than intelligent, moral-less sinner. However, I would like to point out the flaws in your arguement in regard to comparing Saddam to Bush(in a completely anaylytical manner, no hard feelings). Bush does not promote terrorism, nor does he allow/promote some of the absurd things that Saddam allowed. First of all, I'd also like to point out that I am a strong moderate(I happen to be large anti-Bush man) The calibur of what impact the Bush administration has had on the world is by far less evil than what Saddam achieved. Through his(Saddams) acts of brutal violence, hatred, and close-mindedness, he incurred so much intentional pain to those "against him"(in his mind) that it is inconceivable to say that his motives and Bush's are anywhere near similar.
  • DrVonAwesome

    Bush actually was guilty of torturing people too.  It was found out that there were iraqui prisoners who were not going to be allowed to be set free and they were brutally hurt and some were even killed.  The president knew about this. 

    Plus, in 9/11, why did Bush not look suprised when he was told about the plane crash?

    Why?

  • TheRainbowintheDark

    I think the argument over Saddam in comparison to others is pretty much discussed well above, so I'll just give my peice on him alone.

    Saddam wasn't executed "just because" he was the former leader. He was tried specifically for the crime of the gas attacks against the Kurds he ordered in Iraq and convicted. When a former leader goes to trial, it's not becuase they were the leader but because they did something and that one act is deemed a crime against humanity, not just the fact that they were in charge. After WWII, the Nazi leaders went to trial for their actions, not their loyalties. The same happened with Saddam.

    I think comparing him to Casto or Bush is kind of overlooking this. He committed a crime, went to trial, and then was sentanced to death for his crime. The same thing would have happened if he had killed people and he wasn't in power.

  • wrightandwrong
    kristenmomof3:
    Exactly- Saul was wrong to be killing Christians, and God gave him a second chance. Then he became one of the best evangelizers for the faith the world has ever known. I'm not sure if Bush has ever ordered anyone's head to be cut off besides maybe a few murderers here and there. The real murderers are abortionists frankly. Sure Saddam never killed anyone *himself* but I'm sure neither did Hitler. And trust me, It was not just America who decided who should kill Saddam. It was a coalition of countries from around the world who got together to be judges, just like after the second world war when they judged many of Hitler's yes-men. So if you want to know why they killed Saddam, research it. Bush never orders his men to go into residential towns and start hacking away.
    You are right however, about why its always necessary to kill the former power. Its not, not all the time at all! I think that many times when there has been an overthrow of power, it was completely unnecessary to actually overthrow the king. But in this situation it was necessary- he was a complete Dictator who killed his people routinely.

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  • abutterfly1585

    I don't know any of you, but after reading the post and all of the comments I feel the need to add my own input. First of all, my father was born and raised in Baghdad along with 3 brothers and 7 sisters, all of whom are married and have a life there. They led a semi-normal life but weren't happy with their governmet to say the least. It just seems to me that none of you really know what went on there and you still don't know what's going on there except what our own bias media tells you. Saddam really was no different than Hitler or even Bush for that matter. He killed his grandson, just a child mind you, so he would not grow up and take revenge on his father. All three men may not have killed with their own hands but they may as well have. It was on their order that millions of thousands have been killed. If that does not deserve death then I really don't know what does.

    And not that I'm defending Saddam's death, he really did deserve to die, but the entire trial was run by the U.S. whether any of you believe it or not and that is entirely up to you.

  • anonymous

    You can't honestly tell me that you have no idea why Saddam was executed can you?  If so, then you need to pay more attention to world news.  His trial was mainly based on a 1982 massacre he led.  Not to mention all the other illegal things he did between 1979 through 2003.  Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.  Killing him is not enough punishment for all the people he's tortured.   If only there was a way to kill him dozens of times and torture him the same way, then it would be a well-deserved death.

  • Gazoo129

    Unfortunately I have no answers. I just know that as Americans, we are right (at least that's what we're taught).

    I saw someone's post on Theologians that said it wasn't right, but that they doubted he was going to Heaven. Not that person's Heaven, or mine, or probably most people, but what about his religion? He may very well be going to his Heaven, which I think is the most important thing in any person's life. Not to live by a societal or cultural law, but live for what will make you happy and get you where you want to go in the afterlife.

    Wow...talk about a random tangent, haha.

  • anonymous

    Here's what I wrote about it on my own page:

    Am I the only one who doesn't really care that Saddam is dead?  It doesn't matter.  It doesn't change anything.  Just another dead person.  How does it help anyone?  It feeds humanity's darkest of desires for things like revenge and vindication.  But at the end of the day, those change nothing -- only cause the cycle to repeat.  I'm not saying this to defend Saddam.  I'm saying that I simply don't understand why we should care so much one way or another.  Another person is dead.  This is cause for celebration?  Change something.  Fix something.  Then I'll celebrate.

  • Kristenmomof3
  • StupidSystemus
    Thank you for your response.
  • jrayn

    There are mass graves of people in Iraq - men, women, children as a result of the war.  There is a HUGE amount of Iraq civilians that died -  I read an article that says a conservative death toll for the civilians is 100,000 but there are estimations that indicate that it exceeds 200,000!!! 

    Imagine that happening in US, and this country is MUCH larger then Iraq, Iraq is twice the size of Idaho so imagine 100,000 citizens dying in that size of land!!!
    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_Military_Death_Toll_In_Iraq_Hits_2500.html

    But really the deaths started way before this war, the embargo that prevented a large portion of drugs and medical equipment and other necessities to reach Iraq (sanctions against Iraq), according to a United Nations report from 1998, this embargo was the direct cause of more than 250 000 civilian lives in Iraq but in reality it is much more - Wikpedia says more then 1.5 million deaths are a result of this embargo.... and not as much in the news but still horrible resuld- blindness b/c of the sandstorms and other illnesses - they didn't have access to eye care meds, chlorine many many items of necessity which resulted in horrible diseases ... 

    that started with the first Bush, but even after other powerful countries wanted it to end, one of the 5 permanent members of the security council (US of A) who has Bush representing it for almost 6 years now, has repeatedly and abusively used and threatened to use his voting power and veto power to continue the embargo and only ended it once Saddam was captured.
    North Korea has nukes but we didn't attack them when the threats were being made to develop them, so the "excuse" for invading Iraq changed to terrorism even though the alleged terrorists that attacked the towers were not even from Iraq, the Al-Qaeda is not from Iraq either. 
    US stood by while millions died in Rwanda (was the massacre of an estimated 800,000 to 1,071,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus in Rwanda, and East Timor (well over 200,000 East Timorese have died, but America supports the invaders- Indonesia, who did the murdering. http://www.southendpress.org/2004/items/ETimorRS

    And of course, let's not forget the clear-cutting and expropriation of indigenous tribes in South America so that we can save a whole dollar on a ton of wood for our beautiful wood floors, furniture, houses etc, and so McD's can save 7 cents a pound on beef, horse and soy and whatever else is in what some people call food..

    Although this is long enough, there are numerous reports of innocent civilians being held in prisons ran by US Soldiers, being starved, cold, unclothed and tortured.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html

    page 4 of this link describes some of the deaths from the CIA prisons. 

    One of the things that the media has done for those that are in power is provided a way for them to make an excuse about their actions so that it seems that what they are doing is "right".  The media says the war in Iraq is to combat terrorism, but that is impossible, there are sooooo many different groups of potential terrorists, not just in Iraq it would be absolutely impossible to prevent terrorism. 

  • KaLeiKristy

    To kill the former leader for better sense of self-security.

    Just the way human being works as like any other living species on earth.

  • anonymous

    He may not have been the one who pulled the trigger to kill all those people, but he is the one who orchestrated all of the attacks and mass murders. He is the one who ordered the bombs to be dropped on his own country-people. That would be being an accomplice to murder....and it is just as bad as doing it yourself. Allow me to say, Bush did it in time of war....Saddam did it in his own time for his own benefit. Paul encountered the Lord on the road to Damascus...was forgiven and changed his ways. He became the greatest instrument that God used in the new testament and the church. Point being, Bush was time of war, Paul changed and was used greatly by God.....neither Saddam or Castro did things in time of war, nor were either of them repentent for what they did.

    Allow me to say, I am not trying to compare Bush with Paul, I am trying to justify his actions.

  • MyLittlePieceOfMe
    i may be in the minority but i for one am glad he's dead and he deserved it.  how anyone can think otherwise is beyond me. if he was gonna be a paul God would have intervened. He didn't. bush is doing the best he can. war is never pleasant but read your bible- it's filled with war and God commanding that people like saddam be killed.
  • Kristenmomof3
    I would have to disagree with you MyLittlePiecesOfMe, The Bible says
    Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
    Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
    Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
    Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
    Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
    Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
    Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
    Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
    Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
  • travelerblue

    RYC:  Thanks for stopping by.

    I'm opposed to the death penalty! 

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