April 17, 2008
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Texas judge holding custody hearing for polygamists’ kids
Texas
judge holding custody hearing for polygamists’ kids
By MICHELLE ROBERTS
The 416 children who
once led cloistered lives on their church’s ranch outside a tiny town in
West Texas have spent the past two weeks
sleeping on cots, shuffled from shelter to shelter.On Thursday, a judge
was to hear from their attorneys, along with attorneys for their parents and
Child Protective Services, on whether the children ought to be returned to the
ranch run by a polygamous sect or be placed in permanent foster
care.“Our attorneys are
going to take all the evidence we have and make a case for keeping the children
in our care,” CPS spokeswoman Marissa Gonzales
said.At least a dozen sect
members wearing long, pioneer-style dresses quietly made their way to the
courtroom early Thursday. Most of the women, accompanied by lawyers, looked down
as they passed a throng of video cameras and news
reporters.“I hope we can come up
with a resolution where these child can be safe and happy,” Susan Hays, an
attorney representing a 2-year-old girl in the case, said Thursday before the
hearing. “It’s difficult when you have a case this
large.”Tom Green County Judge
Barbara Walther signed an emergency order nearly two weeks ago giving the state
custody of the children after a 16-year-old girl called an abuse hot line
claiming her husband, a 50-year-old member of the sect, beat and raped her. The
girl has yet to be identified by investigators.Authorities raided the
Eldorado ranch and spent a week collecting documents and disk drives that might
provide evidence of underage girls being given to adult men in marriages by the
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which owns the
ranch.The children, first
taken to shelters in Eldorado, were later moved to a historic fort and then to a
domed coliseum on the fairgrounds in San Angelo. All but 27 adolescent boys are
staying in the coliseum and a nearby building; the teenage boys are at a boys
ranch near Amarillo.If Walther gives CPS
permanent custody of the children, the agency will begin looking for foster
homes in a case that has already stretched the legal resources of this San Angelo and the state’s
child welfare system.The custody case is
one of the largest in U.S. history and involves children
from six months to 17 years in age. Roughly 100 of the children are under age
4.State officials
contend the children were being physically and sexually abused or were in
imminent danger of such abuse. In initial court filings, they said girls were
forced into spiritual marriages – relationships ordained by the church but not
legally recognized – with adult men and that boys were conditioned to be abusers
as they grew up.FLDS members say the
state is persecuting them for their faith and that their 1,700-acre Yearning for
Zion Ranch, with its soaring white temple and log cabin-style houses, is simply
a home isolated from a hostile and sinful world.They deny children
were abused.“It’s the furthest
thing away from what we do here,” said Dan, a sect member who spoke at the
compound Wednesday but declined to give his last name because he fears how it
will affect his children in state custody. “There’s nothing that’s more disliked
and more trained against.”Attorneys for the
parents were seen entering the compound Wednesday, and a parade of attorneys
recruited by the state bar association was interviewing children at the shelter
in advance of Thursday’s hearing.Typically, each child
would be given a separate hearing, but given the number of cases, it’s likely
the judge will have the state, the children’s attorneys and the parents’
attorneys make consolidated presentations, at least initially, said Harper
Estes, president-elect of the state bar.“You can’t go
one-by-one,” Estes said.Walther’s courtroom is
expected to be jammed with attorneys and parents, so a live video feed has been
set up in nearby City Hall to allow the media and the public to watch the
proceedings.If the judge gives the
state permanent custody, CPS will have an enormous challenge in finding homes
for the children in an already tight foster system.CPS has relied on
volunteers to help feed the children, launder linens and provide crafts and
games for them in a dorm-style setting for the past two weeks. But the agency
will have to find stable homes and try to decipher sibling relationships that
should be preserved if it gets permanent custody.Even identifying
groups of siblings has been challenging so far.“There’s quite a lot
of difficulty in identifying how many of these children are biologically related
to one another. There’s a large number who are half-siblings,” Gonzales
said.The children, who
dress in pioneer-style clothes meant to emphasize modesty, have been raised in
the insular FLDS community.The sect came to
West Texas in 2003, relocating some members
from the church’s traditional home along the Utah-Arizona state line. It traces
its religious roots to the early theology of the mainstream Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, which now denounces polygamy and excommunicates
members found practicing it.Meanwhile, Texas
Attorney General Greg Abbott said Thursday that FLDS members may face legal
troubles other than abuse allegations and custody battles for their
children.Abbott said FLDS
mothers who have been defending their polygamous lifestyle in interviews this
week may be subject to prosecution for bigamy.On ABC’s “Good Morning
America,” he said the mothers, in nationally televised interviews Wednesday,
“admitted to living in a state of bigamy.”“That also would be
grounds for legal prosecution in the state of Texas,” he said.UPDATE:
Hundreds of lawyers in Texas are studying the first piece of evidence
that was supposed to be introduced at a court hearing. The hearing is
aimed at deciding the fate of hundreds of children seized from a
polygamist retreat.The demand to examine the evidence quickly
caused a recess to be declared. The judge has decided to let the
children’s attorneys read over the evidence and decide whether to
object as a group or make individual objections.
Comments (18)
Let’s pray for these people!
@cookinganne - I totally agree. I cried and prayed a lot about this last night.
It really grieves me.
I can’t stand people using Religon for reasons like this. This is why people do not like religon! You and I both know that it is a relationship with Jesus, but to those that don’t know they lump us all together. It just makes me righteously mad. It just makes it harder every time people like this do these things in the name of Religon!
I too hate it when people use religion for abuse. BUT, I’m wondering how much of the allegations are TRUE?
Those poor children, I’m not so sure rounding them up and seperating them from their mothers is such a great idea…something is a bit stinky in the state of Denmark. I think we need to look into things a bit, we need to remember this is all from one anonomyous tip.
May we lift this country up in prayer. God help us all.
I wonder if all the children in homes where teenage pregnancy has occured should be rounded up and carted off? I wonder about all of the children in the U.S. every year that are adopted by gay couples. I am sorry but I see so many situations in our society where children are allowed to be in harmful situations. I once cared for, as a foster mom, a sixth month old infant whose thigh bone had been broken by his mother. He and his older sister were with me for a few months and then returned to this mother.
Something is fishy in this situation. I don’t agree with pologamy or the FLDS lifestyle but I also don’t agree with gay men adopting little boys or with the single mom whose has a different man in her bed every three months or with the mom who allows her thirteen year old daughter so much freedom that she gets pregnant twice by the time she is sixteen. Why are things things accepted and not punished in our society but the FLDS are?
@thats_italian -
@MrsTaunya1967 -
I totally agree with both of you. And now they are talking about charging the women (who came on tv and pleaded for their children back) with bigamy
@thats_italian -
@Kristenmomof3 - It is not the women that I am upset with, Because that women there can not do anything without the permission of the man (which is totally wrong) The men that lied and twisted what the word says to get these people to do what they want. That is what I am upset at. The fact that it hurts us as a whole also upsets me. People who don’t know Jesus see this junk. And it makes it harder to witness.
@Mighty_Men_of_Valor - I know what you mean. I just wish they would look into things a bit better before they start taking children away from the mothers like that, it also bothers me because I know they’ll start looking at Christians who they think are different in the same way. We know true Christians are not abusive, but the authorities may use abuse as an excuse.
What happened to the poor children in the Branch Davidian compound also frightens me. Who is next? We have an acquaintence and his eight adopted children were taken away at ll p.m. clad in their pajamas on an anonymous tip. He had the money to get his severely traumatized children returned, he’s also ran for state office but many others don’t have that luxury of being well funded. And then I hear stories of Christian families trying to adopt little children that have truly been abused and the abused children are returned to the abusive drug infested family! In one particular case, the child was so traumatized by the visits by the drugged parent that the eight year old boy would deficate on himself before the visitation time. The drugged parent would literally druel and slobber over the infant sibling. The family begged the courts to let them keep the children. They would not listen and the last I heard the children were supposed to be returned to that drug infested environement. It’s hard to believe, it was horrible and cruel. The system is in a mess and there are some obvious double standards.
You are correct, people that don’t know Jesus are watching this junk and the media certainly isn’t helping the cause. I totally understand, take care now. Blessings! May we hold this country up in prayer.
i read this same article today also it is extremely sad that this people were I guess for a lack of a better word was brainwashed into this and all that. I dont agree with thier belives eiterh but that is no reason to take all the kids away from the mother.
I do think if the abuse was occuring it needs to stop at and take care of the person(s) responsible and have them taken care. There are hundreds of thousands of polgamy going on right now in the US and as long as they are responsible parents to the child and raise the kids right. THats fine. I personally would not do it.
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I wonder if all the children in homes where teenage pregnancy has occured should be rounded up and carted off? I wonder about all of the children in the U.S. every year that are adopted by gay couples. I am sorry but I see so many situations in our society where children are allowed to be in harmful situations. I once cared for, as a foster mom, a sixth month old infant whose thigh bone had been broken by his mother. He and his older sister were with me for a few months and then returned to this mother.
Something is fishy in this situation. I don’t agree with pologamy or the FLDS lifestyle but I also don’t agree with gay men adopting little boys or with the single mom whose has a different man in her bed every three months or with the mom who allows her thirteen year old daughter so much freedom that she gets pregnant twice by the time she is sixteen. Why are things things accepted and not punished in our society but the FLDS are?–MrsTaunya1967 ”" <<—-She makes in interesting statmentes… becauuse it is the parents fault as to the rights nad freedoms they give there kids espceailly at age 13-17 if they want to have every there daughter/son having babies ya know?? its called control.
I do not agree with gay/lesbian people adopting children, beacause it is not normal. and I think it is unhealthy for them. But anyway… The basic gist is if this is all a lie then every body will be judged come judgemement day!
I could go on but Im not just my thoughts!!
@Kristenmomof3 - Oh my goodness, that doesn’t seem right, not that I agree with bigamy but I’m not understanding the obvious double standard. Gay couples being able to adopt children, when in the state of Texas, homosexuality is illegal.
When we adopted our youngest daughter eight years ago the adoption counselor was a Christian lady. She was on bad terms with her supervisor at the time because she refused to handle any cases involving gay people wanting to adopt. She described to my husband and I in detail two gay gentleman who had just recently begun the adoption process. These two gentleman had a long list of specific physical features they wanted their adopted child to have and they were only interested in adopting boys. Our adoption counselor refused to work with these gentleman.
This was in the state of Michigan in 2008 but to my knowledge gay adoption is legal everywhere. While I agree that a polygamous (sp) family is not the best for children I think a gay family is an equally bad situation. Why does our society condone one while criminalizing the other? In God’s eyes both of these “family” units are sinful. We as Christians should look at this not as the world does but from a Biblical worldview. We should also like that’s italian stated be very careful. To the world many of us seem just as strange as the FLDS do. We could be next after all we “won’t allow our children to even have the natural expericence of going to school. Aren’t we depriving them of some natural right?” That is how many few homeschooling. Look at what has happened in California.
Many Christians who believe in the rod of correction have been and will be in the future accused of child abuse. What happens when they come to your church and take all of the children because you minister preaches the that it is okay to spank a child? I think we all need to watch this situation very closely and make sure that laws are followed and that all are treated equally. In my humble opinion it is easy to get away with uncoventional lifetstyles as long as you don’t attibute it to a religious belief. If you remain secular than your right is proctected and while seen as odd or eccentric it is accepted by society. The minute you bring a higher power into the equation people get upset and are ready to take away your rights.
As usual children are the ones who suffer the most. I personally do not believe in bigamy. Nor do I think we will ever see a state stand up for the old laws that are on the books. Children are sopposed to have a mom and dad raising them together. Nothing else period. However again this all relates to “CHANGE” if people would stop changing things and stick with what has worked for years, issuses like this would cease forever. An until Christians start living like Christians and stick together things will not get any better.
I mean we have a law here in NC called the “shacking up law” its actually against the law for an unwed couple to reside together. However nobody will enforce the law.
Maine just passed birth control for children as young as 10 years of age without parent consent. Yet its also against the law for children under 16 to have sex. An statistics show that hundreds of “little girls” are giving birth each year under the age 15. An noone enforces the laws , knowing that most of the time the daddys of the babies are usually much older than 18. Parents are allowing their children to have sex most of the time right in their own house.
Just like the recent non smoking laws in Maine and throughout America. Children under 18 can’t buy or smoke. Yet I see thousands each year buying and smoking right in front of cops. I witness parents buying the junk for their kids.
Folks like it or not and I hate it. America has gone to the devil.
An for anyone who cares. Check the laws in your area. It is NOT against the law to spank a child with a paddle. The law says its ok to spank so long as a mark does not appear 24 hours after you spank them. There is a difference between biblical discipline and beating a child.
Uhhhhhhhhh as usual these issues are covering our news with such junk. I would not even given much thought to all the media claims, they are thriving on destroying any good in anything period. The media are the perfect example of someone who looks at a glass that is half empty rather than half full.
An certainly lift all the folks involved in prayer. Even the guitly ones. Its what Jesus would do.
Let us join our hands in praying. God bless!
As far as taking the children from their mothers: according to those who have escaped this cult and have been deprogrammed, these children do not even know for sure who their own bio mom is because they are taught that only the “prophet” is their parent from birth. They intentionally change their birthdates from time to time even to keep the child off track about even his own identity. If it is true, that girls are expected to marry and start producing children as soon as they have their first menses, then the law is being broken and children are being abused. If it is true that infants are held under running water as punishment for crying or making noise in the “service”, then that is abuse. If boys are banished from the group because older men want the young girls all to themselves, then THAT is abuse. According to many who have broke free from this cult, these abuses do take place. Their “prophet” , Warren Jeffs is in prison for rape. I do not agree with most of what CPS does ( i have been investigated myself as a result of an anonymous call and it was a scary and difficult time), but in this case… the glare and the spotlight of the whole world is upon them and they are being held accountable in the public eye. These poor women are most obviously brain washed and controlled like Stepford Wives. It is pitiful to say the least. The man seem to be cowards.. you hardly even hear from them. They know they have done wrong. The Bible says to obey the laws of the land and they have not done that in many ways. They thought they were above the law. Many of these “men” know they will wind up right in prison along with their “prophet” for the same crime of rape if they dare open their yellow bellied cowardly mouths. These poor women need to be deprogrammed and fight for their children and get these men out of the picture!
MrsTaunya1967 is on to something here. (By the way, if you really want to keep abreast of this story, it is the Deseret News that is covering this closely). Although I have a real problem with FLDS, I at the same time can’t help but smell some sort of rat her. Already TX authorities have acknowledged that the majority of the kids have not be physically or sexually abused, but that the state is keeping them because of the level of risk. What?! Amish people, look out. I’ve seen you place 5 and 6 year olds on roofing jobs. I mean, who is next? And why not round up all the teens and pre teens in the TX inner cities? They HAVE to be at greater risk.
But like I said, I still have a real problem with the FLDS because the men have done to their women and children the same as has done the state of TX. They have banished young boys and in some instances taken the wives and children away from men who would not follow the FLDS line as the leaders expected of them.
What we have here is a case of the victims being further victimized by the state while the real creeps are walking free.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4677685&affil=koco
please for the sake of these children Texas keep them and show them they two are humans
im sorry but if these women allow their kids to b treated this way they need to b charged. i guarantee that half of those kids aren’t even biologically theirs. people r afraid of change, but maybe thats what this world needs.