May 2, 2009

  • Respect

    My friend shared this with me. I may not agree with all said but she said a lot of great things. I think this should be passed about and everyone should hear this.

    What are your thoughts on this???

Comments (51)

  • This was very intersting. Thanks for sharin’ this

  • The point is NOT CLOTHES.  The point is God.  She is not serving the right and correct God.  Yes, modesty is good…but empty modesty to please a false God…it’s worth as much as a pile of crap. 

    I’m really sorry to hear that Dallas has another Muslim.

  • Maybe you could find a religious Jewish woman to share her conversion.  It might be more relavent.

    I really enjoy reading your blog.

  • She has not a clue what she has done. and has done it for the wrong reasons.

  • All I see is blank white box.  What happened?  Am I missing certain plugin?

    Oh, nevermind, it showed up after I clicked on “submit” on my last remark.  This happened after not working first two or three times!  Wish it have subtitle….

  • I think the lessons we as Christians can learn from this are many and invaluable.  A. Muslims are humans, too. :)  B.  Everybody is searching for meaning C. They are going to find that somewhere – why aren’t WE the ones living differently, showing them a more better way??  And that is just scratching the surface…

  •  You’re right, she said some really great things-but sadly she has focused it on America and that’s not where it started-we only followed what the ‘euro-trash’ has been doing for decades. Our media gets paid to make a bigger deal out of it here than there tho.

    There is a wonderful book out called Girls Gone Mild by Wendy Shalit that addresses the issue of bad behaviour , poor clothing choices and the influence of the media and fashion industry very, very well. All of my daughters have read it and loved it.Thank you for putting this up. 

  • modesty is a good thing- i just think some take it too far and do it for the wrong reasons… not to mention for the wrong gods…

  • I enjoyed watching this and agree a certain amount of modesty is good, as it makes people more comfortable.  This woman is a little more extreme than I would ever want to be, but if she is happy, who cares what I think.  I do feel it is more “the secret person of the heart” and what you are in a relationship, than how much skin you walked around in before getting together though.

  • @XxWiltedRosexX - glad you enjoyed watching it

  • @Mighty_Men_of_Valor - from looking at your footprints and the amount of time you were on my page and the amount of time it was until your comment was 3 minutes. It was even impossible for you to have watched it and understand why I posted it.

  • @rachelserine - I agree … Why aren’t so many Christians living different? Why is it impossible to tell most of them apart from the world.

    Thank you for the wonderful comment

  • @k8tthelate - thank you for watching it and understanding why I posted it on my page.

    Blessings and Shalom

  • @PreciousOnyx - did you even watch it to understand why I posted it? OR did you just dismiss it because it was a veiled Muslimah without watching to understand why it was posted and what could be learned from it?

  • @storyslut - thank you for the nice comment.

    Blessings and Shalom

  • Being a Biker’s wife:  IMHO …. it’s not about the clothing.  It’s about the REASON behind the clothing!  Some dress for attention.  Some dress to not get attention.  Some dress for the “shock factor”.  All in all, I believe it is the persons individual CHOICE; but I do believe there are some women out there that do need to cover up a bit more!  I personally do not enjoy seeing as much cleavage or butt cracks, as you see these days!!  But again, I have to ask myself WHY the person is dressing the way they are…and then go from there.

  • And again she has no Idea what she has done. I do understand why you put this up. but the whole time I am listening all I can think of is ” She needs Jesus not Islam”

  • @Kristenmomof3 - no i didn’t but i can very easily imagine what she’d say- it was late, I didn’t feel up to it.

  • @Mighty_Men_of_Valor - As a Muslim, I’d like you to know that we respect and love Jesus (peace be upon him) just as much as a Christian or Jew does. We just don’t believe he is the son of God because that in Islam would be setting up partners with God. “God is Self-Sufficient, He begets not nor is He begotten.”

  • @muhminbillah - Thank you for the nice comment.

    Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad Duet 6:4 (Hear O Israel, The L-rd our G-d The L-rd is ONE)

  • I would have liked it a lot more had she actually discussed more why she decided to become Muslum instead of Christian or any other.  She adresses the modesty standpoint, but the things that she says that she likes about Islam can be said about Christianity also.  (I am not sure about Judiasm, if someone could tell me that would be great!  – always willing to learn.)  She seemed to focus so much on modesty instead of what got her to actually chose to become Muslum.  i don’t know, I think I would like to hear more about why she chose that religion, but she did make very good points.

  • @Pensamientos@revelife - The reason I posted this was because of the modesty….not because of religion :)

  • @Kristenmomof3 -   Well that makes a lot more sense! :)   I am still kind of curious though, but that is just my nature.  You can hand me a book of information and I still want to know more.  She did make some very good points about modesty.

  • @Kristenmomof3 - Anything really, I tend to be too curious about everything. It was a general statement.  Not really anything in particular…I’m just one of those people who tends to ask a lot of questions and always wants things to go into more detail than they normally do. 

  • @Pensamientos@revelife - ahh

    I always suggest that everyone own a copy of the Complete Jewish Bible.

    But that probably doesn’t help much :)

  • Oh, I actually do…but do you have any other ideas for something for me to read on it? :)

  • @Pensamientos@revelife - have you ever read the mishnah? It is interesting

  • No, what is it?  And would I find it at booksamillion or am I going to need to order online to read it?

  • @Pensamientos@revelife - The Mishnah is considered to be the first important work of Rabbinic Judaism

    The Mishnah does not claim to be the development of new laws, but merely the collection of existing oral laws, traditions and traditional wisdom. The rabbis who contributed to the Mishnah are known as the Tannaim, of whom approximately 120 are known. The period during which the Mishnah was assembled spanned about 170 years, and five generations.

    I do not know if you can get it at booksamillion or not.

  • Fantastic, I will check Booksamillion tonight and see if I can find it there. Thanks for telling me about it.  It sounds like it would be fascinating.

  • @Pensamientos@revelife - @muhminbillah - Yes God is Yahweh Elohim. But we would still be having to give burnt offerings to God to atone for our sins. God knew that we could never be good enough to get into heaven. So God became flesh in the form of Jesus Christ and died as a final scrifice for our sins. God came down from heaven to find out what our flesh feels. He knows what we go through. and if not for Jesus, none would be saved. And now ALL can freely enter into the kingdom of heaven through the blood of Jesus Christ. He is the way, the truth, and the life. no one comes to the father except through the son. But I do admire most Muslims. they have 100% more dedication to their faith then 60% or more of the professing Christians. May God bless the ground ou walk apon. I hope we may discuss this further.

  • What I got from this:

    1. Having fun = wasting your life.
    2. Going to the same coffee shops and/or having the same friends and/or having the same job = not moving forward with life.
    3. Showing skin = impossible to respect.
    4. Showing skin = immoral.
    5. Dressing in “party” clothes = bad dressing because it attracts the attention of men.
    6.
    “I know what I’m doing with my life because I’m Muslim, but obviously
    because everyone else around me isn’t Muslim, they don’t have a clue
    what they’re doing.”

    My response?

    Wrong.

  • @Mighty_Men_of_Valor - I don’t believe God became the flesh of Jesus (peace be upon him) to atone for our sins. He is Almighty, if He so Wishes, He can Forgive mankind. He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Also, I don’t believe God would need to be in the flesh of Jesus (peace be upon him) in order to feel or know what mankind feels. Again, he is Almighty God, He does not need to stoop down to His Servants level in order to know what His servant goes through. He is All-Knowing. He Sees and Hears All. He is the Only One who knows what you are truly thinking. Why do we say Only God can Judge me? Because only God can see our intentions. 
    Furthermore, God created mankind to test us. If He already had decreed Hell for all of us, what would be the purpose of this life? There would be no goal at the end of life to strive for–Heaven. God is not cruel nor unJust. Well, this is the perception of Allah Ta’ala from the Islamic viewpoint. You can believe otherwise about God from the viewpoint of the Christian faith. 
    And if you believe all of these things are true then you completely contradict yourself when you say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is the son of God and God himself in one form or another. I cannot wrap my head around it. And as a Muslim, I believe everything has to be justified logically…so just “believing” and having “faith” in something because the Bible or Qu’ran says so, doesn’t work. 

  • Kudos to you for posting this. I enjoyed listening to the lady, and I as a muslim, think, that she has carried herself very well. Few of us are enlightened, and what we feel and how we bahave should not bother others who do not think like us. There is a chapter( surah ) in the Qura’an which specifies, “to you your worship, to me mine…….”
    Thank you again for posting this. it is obvious you are a very broad minded individual. It was a pleasure visiting you.

  • Obviously, modesty is the issue.  But she made some other very valid comments.  Removing the “shock value” of shown cleavage or bared areas, allows the man who is interested in her to see into her soul.  And she recognized the need to not focus on dressing for others.  She is right on.  I am glad to not be a woman, as I’m not sure what I would do if I was over-endowed, and seeking appropriate clothing.  I think an outfit like you wear would be best.  Yet, even as a guy, I sometimes have trouble finding clothes to wear that fit right, and don’t show too much of my body.  Let’s hear it for modesty, and comfort.

  • @muhminbillah - I do think that as a Moslem you have difficulty understanding why as Christians we believe that Jesus died for our sins, and how he can be the son of the Only God (the Lord our God is One).  Question:  does the Islamic faith demand sacrifice?  Perhaps recognize the blood sacrifice that was required of Father Abraham?  To us, that is where there is a tie-in, and Chris was trying to point it out:  we needed a sacrifice, Jesus became our sacrifice.  I think you are right he did not come to know how it feels to be human.  Rather, we needed assurance that God loved us enough that He would come down and live among us.

    If you could, I would like to know about the issue of sacrifice in the Moslem faith.

  • @PreciousOnyx - Have you at this point watched it? Or are you still just content to judge it without having even listened to it?

  • @ZSA_MD - Thank you for the wonderful comment.

    Blessings and Peace

  • @pb49r - Thank you for the wonderful comment. I agree she made a lot of wonderful points. 

  • I keep seeing you posting this and apparently its caused quite a stir!!  Haha!!  But honestly, my internet at home is running agonizingly slow today.  It’s in and out and unreliable, and it’s being stupid.  LOL!!  It’s the weather.  And being sick as a dog, i don’t really feel like constantly fighting it.  But i’ll try to watch it at some point.

  • @Papillon_Mom - Yep…I time stamped it a few times :) It will stay up. I don’t think she says anything you would disagree with except for a few mentions of her faith.

    You just worry about getting better.

    Love and Hugs

  • She really does have some good thoughts and an excellent critique of American culture. It’s too bad there were no real Christians around when she was searching for meaning in life.

  • A cloak for making our sins simple.  A works righteousness so we can say that it is not “me”.  Works are the new clothes and she doesn’t feel she should answer to a mediator because she doesn’t want to have to explain her sins to someone else and this higher power cannot be known and isn’t personal so the only one she is living for is “me”.  The cloak offers her a sense of rigteousness and closes her off to the world which reminds her of her shame because this lifestyle is a sense of denial.  The cloak gets her away from men and the cloak hides her sin and is a mask called hypocrisy because we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  This sin she doesn’t answer for.

  • @Sosthenes@revelife - so you don’t think that we should dress modest? What about what the bible says about that? She may not be a christian but can you not admit that she has a lot of good points?
    Do you just throw out those good points because she is not a part of “the right faith”?
    Maybe you would prefer my post that was the next one which uses Christian reasons for the same things?

    DO you think all women who dress modest are less of Christians or not christians at all because they dress mosdest and wear a headcovering? Because they are doing what the bible says they should do you accuse them of thinking it is a works savation when all they are doing is what they are supposed to be doing after comeing to salvation by faith through Grace. which is follow what the bible says. After all the bible is clear that faith without works is dead.

    To many christians just throw out what they dont want to follow. THe bible says that women should dress modest. The bible says that women should cover their heads. 100 years ago this was a given to women … so for over 1850 years women did this. It was a given that Christian women would cover their heads. Now it is tried to be explained away.

    Who is following G-d? WHo is doing what G-d expects? Should real christians be trying to explain that away as culture? So it was culture for the first over 1,850 years but for some reason women should throw it off now.

    THen why not just throw the whole thing away? Why not throw the whole thing away? GO out and sin all you want…after all you are saved by grace…so why follow anything?

    Remember Faith without Works is dead.

  • @Mighty_Men_of_Valor - By the way, I noticed I might have come off as a bit rude. I totally wasn’t intending that, so I apologize for sounding harsh in my words. 

  • @muhminbillah - I accept. same here. may God bless you.

  • @Mighty_Men_of_Valor - May God Bless you too, brother. 

  • @Kristenmomof3 - I think that a woman should dress appropriately and modestly.  I watch what other men look at and they often look at the bodies of other women.  There exists only one lady on the news who dresses appropriately that I can not watch anymore because she would bother me and I don’t want to walk to the edge to find out.  Usually I would see youthful women and men have to train themselves to look at a woman from the neck up but men should train themselves to admire someone as a beautiful creation rather than admire her as an object of lust or anything else unless she is his wife.  My stepsister was under conviction that she could only wear a once piece bathing suit and couldn’t wear a two piece.  I’m not saying the woman in the video didn’t have the right ideals in terms of clothing and I’m happy for her covering up and being decent.

    I don’t understand the head covering concept.  I don’t think I ever will.  There is so much debate and because of that I will regard it as a secondary issue in relation to salvation.  Salvation and the essentials of the faith I regard as primary issues and everything else not related to salvation is a secondary issue that I believe we can disagree on as believers.  I’m not saying that it isn’t important.  I will say that I never remember lusting at a woman because her hair was uncovered.  And I’ve seen women of another faith clothed head to toe in summer clothing that was close to the skin and pretty revealing which doesn’t make a lot sense in some aspects in my mind.

    The problem of seperatism manifests itself in different ways in the church.  Jonah was told by God to go to Ninevah and there are people in the church who refuse to witness to other people because the other person’s sinful lifestyle bothers them so they won’t witness.  I sometimes regard it as an excuse because what they say is that if they were to go witness to someone bad then it would ruin their witness.

    My stepsister was fired from a job for witnessing to her bosses.  She worked for them for a while until she gathered the courage to witness to them and the next day she was fired.

    My family blames me for their sin and not being able to take advantage of me and others in my extended family because I am a Christian.  When you lose your family over what other people regard as “cheap grace” (whatever that is) then they don’t understand what other people go through.  The nice people who I can get along with look at my Biblical basis of faith and say that I’m not normal.  One of my baby christian friends got offended that I would ask for a Christian CD for my birthday and when I opened it up they start asking those questions that I’m (expected) supposed to feel ashamed of my faith.

    I constantly get asked these questions like “What right do you have in telling other people what to do?”  If what we believed didn’t cost us anything and if we’re considered dead by our works then why does the world see us as radical or different when those with rules or laws see us as not obeying?

    The problem of the church is that people are rejecting us so they turn to liberalism or they become seeker sensitive.  A section of the church is going emergent and I was reading a book on Fundamentalism and Liberalism and I see the emergent church as a child of liberalism.  Contrary to what liberalism and some in the emergent church believe, some want discipline.  Other people believe that we’re being rejected because of our stance.

    The problem with me and other fundamentalists is that we can’t give the gospel to other people if we don’t like them and when we approach people with rules then we’re accused of not loving them or that we hate them.

    Dr. Walter Martin was being quoted by his daughter in “The Kingdom of the Occult” and he was on an airplane talking to a doctor.  He was quoted as saying that sin has effected the human race and there is no cure.  I see clothing as helpful but the problem is we still sin.

    I look at the Amish, the Mennonite, the Salvation Army and the Brethren as groups which use headcoverings.  That is fine.  They are free to do what they want and they have contributed to evangelism.

    The problem is when I take a secondary issue as primary importance then I have divided myself or cut myself off from other people that I wish to talk to.  I started my own message forum on the web and I told two different pastors and one came because I invited him but the statement of faith divided me from them even though it wasn’t intentional.  And other Christians reject me because they see me as being my own arbiter of truth.  When I wanted to start a Bible study, I went to a pastor.  He said I should start with a statement of faith because it keeps wolves from penetrating and it makes the Bible study much stronger because it is no longer mine but it is my church’s as well.  I showed other Christians my forum and they don’t think many people will join.  Fences keep wolves out just like fences keep people out.  Rules keep sin out but rules also keeps sinners out because we say keep the sin out and they’re leaving because they do the same sins.  We won’t identify with sin (and painfully) when we don’t love our enemies we aren’t identifying with sinners.

  • I watched the entire movie and frankly…

    Has anyone ever watched the film “The Mummy” Brandon Fraisure was just as attracted to Evie, when she was in full Muslim dress, like the girl on your icon as he was before. Some men won’t be deterred by modest dressing, or any other rejection of their ways. I have had some pester the day lights out of me when I looked horrid.

    I don’t see the point in wearing modest clothing, if your going to cover it with beads and lace to the point it attacts so much attention people are gawking even WORSE than if you had on a skimpy swim suit. I mean….from a mans visual point of view beads on your bustline are as bad as a low bust line.

    Attention is attention.

Post a Comment

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *