November 10, 2009
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Health Care Bill: Pay $15,000 Premium or Go to Jail!
This is what I am hearing. What are your thoughts? What have you heard?
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016
Comments (11)
What amazes me is liberals who read these posts and instead of refuting the clear facts provided in direct quotations from the bill, instead put on their kindergarten hat and yell “liar, liar, pants on fire.”
Tiiiimes they are a-changin’.
God help us if this thing gets passed in the Senate….
Actually as I pointed out on shamelesslyred’s blog, this is all fiction.
You would have to make half a million dollars a year AND the cost of the average healthcare plan would have to exponentially multiply for this to be true. Otherwise someone making say 20,000 a year would pay about $275 a year, and that’s only if they don’t have health insurance to begin with.
And all the “go to jail” shit is nowhere in the bill, they are quoting generic maximum penalties for regular tax evasion.
@agnophilo - I have seen it being passed around and I though maybe someone would have more information on it. IF this is lies can you point me to the truth. Hopefully in an easy to understand format
@Kristenmomof3 - http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3962/text
Above is a link to the healthcare bill named in this letter.
Note that the last section is section of the bill is section 3205, and that the above letter is quoting 7201 and 7203, supposedly of the healthcare bill.
Now hit CTR+F to bring up the search function (on the page or tab with the healthcare bill). Search for “2.5″ (minus quotes). The first hit should be 72.5, ignore that and click to see the next one, it should be under the section 59B. This is the section that details the tax on people without “acceptable” health insurance. Note that it defines what is acceptable and all pre-existing or “grandfathered” policies, medicare, medicaid, VA benefits, etc and any policy that meets the minimum requirements are included. Basically if you have any insurance at all you’re exempt from the tax. Note also that it says the tax cannot be more than the average cost of a health insurance policy, meaning the average cost of an insurance policy would have to be $15,000 for the above claim to be true. Also note that it cannot exceed 2.5% of your adjusted income (after your 7k or so deductible), so if someone made $14,000 in a year (twice their likely deductible) they would get health insurance for about 1% of that, or roughly 140 dollars a year. Furthermore, do the math, the maximum tax is 2.5% of your annual income, and 15,000 is 2.5% of 600,000.
Hope this makes sense.
@agnophilo - thanks
@Kristenmomof3 - Sorry if it’s complicated. I look up this stuff and I’ve got to say almost nothing critical I’ve heard about the proposed healthcare legislation is true at all. Factcheck.org, a non-partisan fact-checking group got ahold of an email awhile back that had a list of reasons to oppose the healthcare bil. They fact-checked it and something like 44 of 48 claims in the email were completely false.
Imagine if someone gave a speech and you found out ten things they said were lies. Would you trust them?
Now imagine you find out less than 10% of the things in the speech were true.
I debunk sources like worldnetdaily, glenn beck, fox news in general and most people just keep posting articles by them even though they know they’re lying.
It’s pathological.
Are you ready to pony up? Just ask yourself this, will you be more free or less free? It’s no harder than that.