June 23, 2011
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1 in 4,000 chance
Once you step outside religion, you suddenly realize how much all religions look alike.
There are over 4,000 gods man has created, at best you could have a 1 in 4,000 chance that you have the 1 true god.
If you have a Bible on your bookshelf, you are probably a Christian.
If you have a Koran on your bookshelf, you are probably a Muslim.
If you have a Torah on your bookshelf, you are probably Jewish.
If you have all three, you are probably an atheist.
Comments (24)
“If you have all three, you are probably an atheist.” This times a hundred.
@wtf_turmoill - I have a whole book shelf dedicated to “religions”
@Kristenmomof3 - I would like to invest in more books… but I need to get a job first. : My town sucks. I’m a broke teenager.
I’ve read the big three, the book of the clown with his head in a hat, and a few others, several times each, but don’t want any of them in my home because they instruct bleevers to kill me.
Hmmmm, That certainly narrows it down. It looks like you have already decided on the matter.
You used to write such beautiful, loving posts about/to your Creator. I see how it is, now.
I actually have all 3, but I am a theist. They are supposed to be a continuum, rather than broken down and separated and divided up so that they appear to be from different gods. Meddlesome humans!!!!
Anyway, enjoy your decision while you wait; and I wait.
or studying the history of religion or the middle east
Well for those three – aren’t they all the same God? lol
@AmeliaHart - depends who you ask. Many many christians would tell you that Allah is not the same as their god and that the most important part is Jesus. So really many christians are very quick to tell you about how Jews and Muslims are going to hell.
Were you once a Christian? Do you still believe in god?
@AncoraImparo - I was raised by conservative grandparents. Went to a mennonite middle school and a very very conservative mennonite high school. I “asked Jesus into my heart” at least 6 times. I was baptised. And the list goes on and on. I went to a very conservative anabaptist church and covered my head and wore only dresses. I went messianic. I studied and studied the scriptures.
I am an atheist.
@Kristenmomof3 - Thanks for the response. I subscribed to you for a little while (maybe half a year ago?) and I seem to remember you posting a lot of Christian writing. I was going through a bitter stage toward Christianity for many of the same reasons (raised southern baptist style), and thought you were one of the more liberal-minded Christians. I’m surprised to see the atheist posts. Don’t get me wrong – I think they are great. Just surprised and curious. =)
@Kristenmomof3 - Well it is a break from the same religion. Just as Christianity broke off from Judaism (Jesus), Islam broke off from Judaism as well (Ishmael). They probably mean that Allah (which simply just means “God”) is a contorted version.
Those are some great quotes.
I have all three, and I’m a Christian.
i think it is true if you are outside religion, all religion will look the same..
and personally, i think that is sometimes the problem that prevent more beneficial dialogues..
but to be fair, i think most religion have a problem to show their proof
to the existence of god in the first place, and hence, to anyone
outside religion, it boils down to the same issues with religion, and
hence they are all the same..
(personally, i think different religion go about god (and god’s
existence) very differently.. and by religion, i don’t mean by the way
people of that religion thinks, but rather by the foundation of each
religion themselves)
I think all the gods are the same, religoin just confuses everyone
It’s not all religions but it’s a nice bit of unexamined current mythology that atheists have going. The social structure on a personal scale involving the interaction with new information based solely upon sourcing and the lack of examination once a position has been chosen isn’t a religious exclusive exercise, nor are many of the things many people decry about them.
Do you really believe that, Kristen?
Only one of the many “gods” sent his Son to save us from our sins. He “proved” his existence. The rest did not. Therefore there is one God, and He has not been silent.
@pb49r - really???
Here are some that happened before Jesus
According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without
a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into
the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both
God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form
of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the
Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A
spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of
royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds,
guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local
dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his
assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea;
Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew
to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the
seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the
lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe
of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without
sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both
performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the
first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured
“all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised
the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were
meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners.
Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were
crucified and both were resurrected.
Romulus is born of a vestal virgin, which was a priestess of the hearth
god Vesta sworn to celibacy. His mother claims that the divine
impregnated her, yet this is not believed by the King. Romulus and his
twin brother, Remus, are tossed in the river and left for dead. (A
“slaughter of the innocents” tale which parallels that of Matthew
2:13-16). Romulus is hailed as the son of god. He is “snatched away to
heaven” by a whirlwind (It is assumed that the gods took him), and he
makes post mortem appearances. In his work Numa Pompilius, Plutarch
records that there was a darkness covering the earth before his death
(Just as there was during Jesus’ death according to Mark 15:33). He also
states that Romulus is to be know afterwards as ‘Quirinus’; A god which
belonged to the Archiac Triad (a “triple deity” similar to the concept
of the Trinity).
Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was
placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king
killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and
purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of
the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and
“God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,”
“Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He
was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of
“Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree
or crucified.
Heracles is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both
the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as
Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring
of David” (Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is
the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to
the Supreme God.
Diodorus writes that,”For as regards the magnitude of the deeds which
he accomplished it is generally agreed that Heracles has been handed
down as one who surpassed all men of whom memory from the beginning of
time has brought down an account; consequently it is a difficult
attainment to report each one of his deeds in a worthy manner and to
present a record which shall be on a level with labours so great, the
magnitude of which won for him the prize of immortality.”
Jesus is also said to have done a very large number of good works.
John 21:25 says that: “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one
of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would
not have room for the books that would be written.”
Hera tries to kill Heracles as an infant by sending two serpents
after him, yet Heracles survives by strangling them. This parallels
Herod’s slaughter of the innocents in an attempt to kill Jesus (Matthew
2:13-16).
Heracles makes a descent into Hades and returns from it with Theseus
and Peirithoüs, just as Jesus descends into the “lower parts of the
earth” or Hades (Ephesians 4:7-8); Though Jesus does not bring anyone up
from it. Heracles’ body is not found and he is assumed to have been
taken by the gods:”After this, when the companions of Iolaüs came to
gather up the bones of Heracles and found not a single bone anywhere,
they assumed that, in accordance with the words of the oracle, he had
passed from among men into the company of the gods.”
Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of
divine reason.” He was baptized in a river. In his youth he astounded
wise men with his wisdom. He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.
He began his ministry at age 30. Zoroaster baptized with water, fire
and “holy wind.” He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind
man. He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including
resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse. He had a sacred
cup or grail. He was slain. His religion had a eucharist. He was the
“Word made flesh.” Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in
the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 AD and begin
his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.
Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana. He was considered the
savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was
eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. On
“Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood
ran down to redeem the earth. He descended into the underworld. After
three days, Attis was resurrected.
Horus
Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth
heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians
paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the
time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth
date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to
have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’
mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel
tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother
and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12
& 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser:
Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored
sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after
three days.
Odin was hung from Yggdrasil (the world tree)for nine days and nights
in sacrifice to himself that parallels Jesus’ crucifixion. As he hung
there he was also pierced in the side by a spear. I know it isn’t as
total as the rest of these are, but it does resemble it some. Here is
part of the speech of Odin that describes it from the Havamal.
I know I hung on that
Windswept tree, swung
There for nine long nights,
Wounded by my own blade,
Bloodied for Odin,
Myself and offering to
Myself, bound to the tree,
That no man knows wither
The roots of it run,
None gave me bread, none
Game me drink
@pb49r - now how did the god that you believe exists prove himself?
I do not like this.
There are many scholars of many religions who have come to Christ or Islam or path of believing there is no god. please if you post your beliefs consider the feelings of others
I do not know if this was copied or pasted but it comes across
proud and condescending towards those of us who believe.
I’m sure that wasn’t your intention personally,
but I really don’t like this piece at all.
I’m not threatened by it in the slightest, but it worries me for how divisive it is.
Yay, I beat the odds, with all three on my shelf.
Oh dang all I have on my book shelf are 12 step recovery books which is a spiritual program where you believe in whatever higher power you so want along with Melody Beattie daily devotionals and books of poetry written for me by my sons and grandkids.
In my library, I have the Torah, the Holy Koran, and the Holy Bible. I believe in the One God of the Peoples Of The Book. And I’m definitely a theist. I do believe that the Spirit of the Living God resides in all his creatures, but I will not try to discuss my personal religious beliefs in so short a space as an answer to a blog post.
I can say, here, that I believe in religions only so much as the people, who are trying to follow their religions, live up to their religious beliefs!! I believe in living religions as they are exemplified by the practicioners of those religions. Luckily for me, I have met sincere and devout folk of all three faiths of The Book.
Which book is THE BOOK,..you might ask me? Well, for me:
For Muslims, THE BOOK is the Holy Koran,..or Q’uaran.
For Christians,..THE BOOK is the Holy Bible.
For Jews,..THE BOOK is the Torah and other related texts.
For other readers, who believe,..THE BOOK is……….
To put it simply,..I believe in ONE MORE GOD than the atheist does,..and that ONE is enough….